Bluejack ([info]bluujack) wrote,
@ 2009-01-13 14:21:00
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What is it about Israel?
You know, normally I don't rise to a patriotic defense of the Bush administration when they get a smackdown. For some reason I do have a soft spot in my heart for Condi, despite her lock-step death-march with the other doomed neocons. So, when she has a rough day on the international circuit I tend to be a little more sympathetic.

Still, my visceral response to Olmert's trash talking is a fairly jingoistic WTF??? You can't say that to us!

As far as I can tell, we're the only nation on Earth that has any sympathy at all for Israel anymore, and that sympathy seems a lot more strongly rooted in elected officials who concern themselves with the pro-Israeli vote than it does in actual everyday voters.

So, my question: what is it about Israel that can squander any public opinion advantage arising out of being bombed by terrorists faster even than the Bush administration, and at the same time alienate the hearts and minds of its only ally?

Is it arrogance?

Stupidity?

Some sort of local political necessity that is incomprehensible outside its own borders?

Or are Israeli leaders the same kind of jerks as the Hamas leaders and they should all be cut off from civilized society until they can play nice?



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[info]jackwilliambell
2009-01-14 03:45 am UTC (link)
Quite honestly I think plain old nasty anti-semitism is alive and well, even among the liberal left.

Apart from that there is the whole 'does the nation of Israel have a right to exist' question, which can be considered separately from anti-semitism, but usually isn't. Personally I think the fact it does exist (and more functionally so than all of its neighbors, including Jordan) makes that question moot, putting those who make the claim otherwise back into the anti-semite camp.

So we are left with a functioning democracy made up mostly of people despised by just about everyone. Is it surprising that they are willing to use overwhelming force to defend themselves against attack? Even somewhat ineffectual attack? (Not to condone the behavior, instead pointing out that it is rooted in human nature.)

Sure, in a sane world someone would make certain that the strong guy didn't stomp the fuck out of the little prick who just kicked his shins. But that leads us to the real question: Who is going to be the cop, the judge, the lawmaker for the world?

Us? As in 'U.S.A.'?

Yeah, right...

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[info]jackwilliambell
2009-01-14 04:18 am UTC (link)
I just noticed that I didn't reply directly to your original question!

In short I think Israelis act that way for the same reason some people individually become antagonistic when everyone picks on them; they are tired of putting up with shit and figure the best defense is a good offense. In the process they don't notice that they are antagonizing even those who would be their friends.

Yes, I know you can't use single human behavior as a rule for entire nations. But as a metaphor i think it stands up. After all, haven't you known people like that? I sure have.

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[info]akirlu
2009-01-14 07:48 pm UTC (link)
It's always impressive to me the way people manage to use "anti-semitism" as an excuse not to bother to look at the facts with respect to Israel. Because it's pretty clear that you haven't looked at much in the way of facts here Jack. What other nation besides Israel do we stand idly by in support of when they commit war crimes in defiance of countless UN resolutions?

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